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I could not care much for sports.

My concern here is far more meaningful. Irish citizenship and nationality.
The devious hypocrites of NI are trying to force youngsters into denying their Irish nationality and heritage.

For decades the IFA of the British state belted out God Save The Queen, and encouraged -by doing nothing about it - sections of NI fans to belt out both anti Irish racist and anti RC sectarian chants.

Because of their overall vocal and physical behavioral presence, the typical NI fan has the same public image as the EDL or BNP.

Yet perversely the same association, the hypocrites of the IFA, now want /demand - that Irish people to just forget all that hate and go play for their British and unionist state team.
A statelet's team that was and always will be anti Irish racist and sectarian in its foundations - and as the evidence below suggests - currently remains
in among it's core fan base.

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Same anthem as the English team -They are not Irish in any way except being anti Irish.
Anti anyone Irish who does not accept the tag of British being applied to them. The vast majority of Irish all lover the world, including those in Britain do not remotely consider themselves as British.

Yet Nigel Worthington says he finds it difficult to understand that a player doesn't want to play for Northern Ireland.
What can this man not really understand? It is very simple - for those of us who are Irish - we are Irish.
He must be a very stupid man not to understand that. Would he like someone to question his right to be British, label his claim to cultural identity a mystery?

And lets face it, using just logic, how is someone like Healy or even Paisley really British?

Based on what? supposed ancestral immigrants (who few to none can prove the identity of their hundreds of ancestors) or religion?
Are they unaware that there are more millions of RC in Britain than their supposed cult? around 8 Million Roman Catholics in Britain, and RC was the religion of all of Britain once and was so for hundreds of years.
Try telling that to these pathetically ignorant brainwashed, most of whom have never attended any religion let alone the no such actual religion as prod or protestant, there are however hundreds of different kinds of religions that also supposedly follow Jesus Christ, but again most of these supposed prods / protestants have no actual religion just handed down myths of hate and fear with a badge for it!

They claim to be British based upon nothing more real than supposed ancestors from hundreds of years ago, who they were told as children, that they came from Britain.
Leaving aside the fact the claims are mythical, having no basis in historical evidence.
How plastic can one get?
Hundreds of years ago!

But fair enough, if they want to be African or British or whatever, it is their choice!
But when these very same hypocrites have the ironic nerve to mock the Irish born in England or America, even from Irish born parents or grandparents, as plastic paddys

These are the ignorant hypocrites that demand that Irish deny their culture and identity.
To hell with their last century ideas!

Perhaps Worthington is the sort who thinks you can beat love into a woman - or sense into a child.
To Irish people, who consider themselves as Irish (& not British) Northern Ireland is not a real country and never will be. There is too large a percentage of the population who are Irish - We will never consider ourselves as British, never never never.
Just as there are people who do view themselves as British, that is the right of the minority.
A minority it is worth adding that is not much more significant that Polish people in 21st Century Ireland.
Why should the Irish bend over backwards for one minority over another.
Are the Polish less important?

To force - or use coercion to force a nationality is immoral bullying and corrupt - features long associated with NI.
The children of Polish people may choose to view themselves as what ever they choose, try & coerce them, or demand them Irish & it will ensure the opposite.

Look at it another way.
Imagine a national sports team that had fans that sang hate songs about Poland & Polish people. A team that has a history of being anti Polish.
Imagine children born to Polish people in that same nation!
They would not be in the slightest interested in representing that nation, they would naturally want to play for Poland.
Brian Kerr should have been brought to a tribunal, or even court

Would the (equivalent of Brian Kerr) Polish national manager treat those qualified and good enough differently, try and convince them to go back and play for another nation instead!
Kerr is totally out of order.

If it is true that Brian Kerr was discriminating, that he acted out on his imagination that he was above the law of the land. That he thought he could treat Irish kids born in the 6 counties differently.

Brian Kerr should have been brought to a tribunal, or even court

Perhaps they still can seek compensation against Brian Kerr, if someone feels discriminated, cheated by his arrogance.

For a start!
Ni is not even a nation, it is place of shared different national identities, who are supposed to agree to respect those 'different allegiances'.

It has no flag or consensus, no passport.

Is the respect for Irish people in the statelet changing? even with the laws demanding equal rights and respect of claimed Irish identity?

No, because nothing here changes fast.
Worthington backs IFA in eligibility row
Northern Ireland manager Nigel Worthington has fully endorsed the Irish Football Association's decision to raise the matter of player eligibility with the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The governing body have taken this stance after promising Everton defender Shane Duffy opted to play for the Republic of Ireland.
Duffy follows a path taken by Manchester United midfielder Darron Gibson, who also came through the Northern Ireland age groups before deciding to switch allegiance.
Worthington wants the trend to stop, especially as he only has a small pool of players to call on.
He said: 'The association is right and proper in what it is doing because no one else is looking after us. We have to look after ourselves.
'We produced in Darron Gibson and Shane Duffy, two very good players, who will be around the top end of football for years to come.
'We put in time and effort as an association as have the coaches who worked with them over the years.
'There is a loophole there that has been exploited. That situation needs to be dealt with firmly.'
Worthington added: 'I find it difficult to understand that a player doesn't want to play for Northern Ireland.
'But good luck to them. I wish them no harm. I will look forward and concentrate on the youngsters coming through.
'Shane Duffy has made his decision with his family, so I respect that. We will wait and see what happens.'


This trouble seeking man, backing the views of his Association, states that a declaration of Irish nationality and loyalty to the Republic is - a loophole! Being Irish for these British racists is a loophole.

So much for parity of esteem - the respect for both distinct seperate identities & cultures - the recognition of the two distinct national identities of Irish or British, all defined in law under the GFA, Belfast Agreement.


Appears to be all one way, Irish reaching out to unionism by forgetting we are Irish.

When will these stupid Norn Iron hypocrites get it in to their thick skulls. We Irish who were unfortunately born inside the wee six counties - founded upon British Colonial terrorism, are never going to consider ourselves as British.

When you are Irish, there is only one Ireland, and it is the whole Island & islands of, & only one Irish identity.
We Irish come from different places, from Armagh to Kerry, to London.
None less Irish, just Kerry Irish Armagh Irish London Irish etc.., different all to each other in ways, but all equally Irish.

As the Island of Ireland proves, Nationality is what the individual declares, not what another imagines or demands.

Updated to show the sectarian bile. This was February 2011.

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Just listen to these embarrassing the name of moron. Singing infantile anti German songs - from a war that they - nor most of their bigoted parents or grandparents even fought in.
The real history is - more Irish in the free state volunteered to fight in both world wars - than the bang the drum Loyalists and Unionists of the wee six counties.
These semi-literate Bri nylon Brits are low lives that shame and embarrass the vast majority of real English people.

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Such fine examples of neanderthals of the so called culture - that Irish liberals and pro British - think we misunderstand.
NI fans in Dublin singing and glorifying terrorists and terrorism
Glorifying the Uvf (lcv)- proscribed Terrorists organizations in the Republic of Ireland and a designated terrorist organization in the United Kingdom and United States.
Over 80% of this British loyalists terrorists victims were innocent Irish people, including the victims of the Dublin and Monaghan bombings.
Has Nigel Worthington or anyone from the NI association banned any of these so called sports fans?
Imagine the media rage in the Republic if their fans behaved like this - sang about the RIRA and had a chorus mocking the death of Mountbatten. There would be a relentless campaign to identify and ban the fans - and the FAI would be reported to FIFA.
Someone in Dublin foolishly invited such anti-Irish race haters.

The message is clear to anyone Irish interested in sports.
The Good Friday agreement - provides a Irish birth right - to be Irish born anywhere in Ireland - in Irish law -even in British law.
Declare for Ireland. Not a British B team version of it. NI is not a real country, nation or race. Can you get a passport showing they even exist - no and you never will.
No proud Irish person would ever stand for GSTQ as their anthem, in that sectarian cesspit called Windsor Park.

Whats that phrase not cliche

Reach out to Unionists!

How about they just worry about, controlling their orange bigots & those demented fleg waiving bigots, tell them to reach out to evolution.


Irish people are Irish, that is the whole point of the Agreement.!
Not to remain second class Irish in Ireland anymore!

People like Brian kerr who on youtube appears intimidated /convinced by NI fans to sing along. Probably why he says the rubbish he now does.
That fool needs to show some respect to all Irish people, not discriminate like a common racist. He has no right to do that.
If that Kerr really did discriminate against the Irish from the North, as he (unintentionally) claims, then he should be taken to the courts by anyone effected in any way and shamed as a racist.

Understand Kerr this, you are not above the law & the law states we are Irish as you are (a nationality which appears to mean little or exclusive to him).

This is what Kerr & other naive ignorant fools ill encourage.

Footballer Chris Baird's family home petrol bombed

The mother of the Northern Ireland footballer Chris Baird escaped injury after a petrol bomb was thrown at her home in what police believe may have been a sectarian attack.

The bomb was thrown at the window of the house in Rasharkin, Co Antrim, in the early hours of yesterday morning. A passerby helped put out the fire and a number of people inside escaped injury.

Police said a sectarian motive was one line of inquiry. The bombing is understood to be the second attack on the house in three weeks.

Daithi McKay, a local Sinn F�in politician, described the attack as attempted murder. "It is quite clear they are being targeted because they are a Catholic family," he said. "People are shocked and very angry that they have been singled out."

Rasharkin is a religiously mixed village. However, in recent months, there have been ongoing tensions with tit-for-tat attacks on homes and other properties.

Democratic Unionist politician Mervyn Storey condemned the attack on the Baird family home as "despicable".

"Yet again we have another family subjected to sectarian hatred and unfortunately the reality is that since April of this year we have had something like 16 sectarian attacks in Rasharkin and 25 since the beginning of the year," he said.

"It is a hate crime. It is someone venting their hatred and their anger for whatever reason on someone who should not be attacked in this way."

Baird, who plays for Fulham, is not the first the north of Ireland player to be singled out for sectarian intimidation. In 2002, Celtic's current manager, Neil Lennon, quit the international squad after repeated abuse from a section of the north of Ireland supporters owing to him being Catholic and playing for the Glasgow club with a large Catholic following. Death threats were also issued against the Co Armagh-born midfielder.

The most serious incident involving a footballer occurred in the late 1970s when loyalist paramilitaries attempted to kill the Irish League player Matt Bradley while he was training in Bangor, near Belfast. A gunman riding on a motorbike broke into the club's Clandeboye Park ground and chased Bradley around the pitch. The west Belfast player managed to escape injury in the murder bid.

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Who ever wants to play for England's 2nd string B team. Let them but do not convince any Irish lad to do so, as sense or morally right.

The message is clear to anyone Irish, interested in sports or not.
The Good Friday agreement - provides your Irish birth right enshrined in law- to be Irish born anywhere in Ireland - in Irish law -(even in British law).
If you are Irish, then you are as Irish as any other Irish citizen born in any other part of Ireland.
That is now enshrined in law as a matter of fact.
(Much more than the ignorant 'Sunningdale for slow leaners' clich� users imagine)

So if you are Irish, then declare for Ireland. Not a British B team version of it. NI is not a real country, nation or race. Can you get a passport showing they even exist - no and you never will.
No proud Irish person would ever stand for GSTQ as their anthem, in that sectarian cesspit called Windsor Park.


For the minority who want to remain British let them do so, no Irish should force them to think differently, even if more and more in the Island of Britain itself are starting to question the british identity.

Those who want to play for NI or England b, let them carry on camping.

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