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Tue Dec 15, 2009

Irish politicians encouraged foreign immigrants into Ireland in unprecedented numbers.
The ordinary Irish people now have to pay for this political madness and social treason.

Health minister Mary Harney and her husband Brian Geoghegan ran up a bill of nearly €65,000 in hotels, limousine hire and accommodation in the space of just three years.
That figure does not include the massive bill for the government jet, which Harney used on almost every occasion she travelled abroad and which cost the taxpayer more than €735,000.

Mary Harney and others, spent our tax money targeting cheap immigrant labour across the world. Busy spending money we never really had, touring the world, with the intention of flooding Ireland with cheap foreign labour. Just a few years on, the native Irish are told to leave their own land. No work for the native Irish.
Irish tax payers have spent millions training our own properly qualified, health workers. This should have been money well spent, but now, when the Irish students qualify, they are told that there is no work for them. Our own politicians tell the qualified native Irish to go, to leave Ireland.
Our own genuinely qualified Irish Nurses are surplus to requirements. This is no surprise when Harney was buying up cheap workers from India and the Philippines in one of her recruitment drives.

We are all paying for foreign immigrant fraudsters.
Most welfare fraudsters are foreign immigrants.
Over 20% on the Dole are foreign immigrants.

Over 30% collecting rent welfare are foreign immigrants.
These figures are indisputable facts from the government offices involved.

The Irish Times - Tuesday, December 15, 2009
Nurses for sale
A UK hospital is delighted with its new recruits – 30 Irish nurses, fresh from graduation, writes Ronan McGreevy

The management of the Royal Berkshire Hospital were so pleased they called in the television cameras.

Regional BBC news and the local newspaper were present for the arrival of 30 new nurses from abroad to solve a chronic manpower and acute financial problem.

The hospital, which is in Reading, 60km west of London, has staff shortages and is unable to recruit locally. Many nurses who graduate in the area choose the brighter lights of London instead.

The new arrivals at the Royal Berkshire were all recent Irish graduates. For most, it was their first job.

They were understandably ambivalent about it. On the one hand, they were excited about being away from home, all together and with all the training opportunities that they will be given.

On the other hand, there was the lingering disappointment that the same opportunities were not available at home.

According to Rachel Monahan (22), from Tipperary, it was hard to leave the family behind, but they had to do it to get work. “It started to become clear two years into our four-year course that we might have to go abroad for work. But Reading is only an hour on the plane, so we are very lucky,” she told the Reading Evening Post .

Management were very pleased. The Irish nurses are well trained, flexible, English-speaking and university graduates. They will also save the hospital £4 million (€4.4 million) a year in the cost of paying agency nurses to deal with staff shortages along with providing continuity of care.

The hospital is going to employ another 15 Irish graduates in January and is planning to come over soon to recruit some more.

It may be good news for the Royal Berkshire NHS Foundation Trust, but it is a telling reminder of the effect the HSE recruitment embargo is having on recent medical graduates.

Despite the severity of the recession in the UK, hospitals in the southeast of England are snapping up hundreds of Irish nursing graduates to fill their own shortages.

Getting nurses to move to London is not difficult, retaining them is another story given the high cost of living there and the pressures on family life.

Whipps Cross Hospital in east London, an institution associated with generations of Irish nurses, has recruited 132 more nurses from Ireland this year.

Among them was John Gilmore (22), who recently graduated from NUI Galway. Of his class of 100, 40 are now working at Whipps Cross. A few have got short-term contracts in University College Hospital, Galway, but the rest are facing emigration.

“Travelling was always part of what I wanted to do,” says Gilmore, “but I would like to have found my feet a bit more at home first.

“It is very hard – the transition from student to staff nurse, from where you are familiar and you know all the staff in the hospital, to somewhere where you have to learn a new system.”

When they started in 2005, the Celtic Tiger was still roaring. “We were told when we started that we were the most employable people in the country, and we were at the time,” he recalls.

Irish Nurses Organisation (INO) deputy general secretary Dave Hughes says he estimates that 90 per cent of the 1,600 nurses who graduated this year have emigrated or are considering going abroad.

“There is no chance of a graduate getting a full-time job in the HSE and he or she is doubly disadvantaged in getting temporary work because the temporary nurses, who do not have regular employment, are experienced and the graduates would hope to get six months before they are fully fledged. The chances of graduates even getting part-time jobs are very, very slim.”

A recent recruitment fair in the RDS attracted hundreds of Irish nurses. Many of the hospitals in the UK were offering subsidised accommodation and a free master’s programme.

Hughes says the difference between the present Irish graduates and the previous ones is that the present ones began studying at a time when there were labour shortages and nurses were being recruited from abroad.

They had a more than reasonable expectation of going straight into paid employment at home, probably the first generation of nurses to have that certainty.

“There was an assessment made of the number of nurses we would need over the next 10 years and the number of student nurses was carefully balanced to meet the requirements. The hope was that we would be self-sufficient, but the employment market has now dried up,” he explains.

The road to the UK is one well travelled by generations of Irish nurses. Between 1945 and 1946, more than 7,000 Irish women applied for employment papers to train as nurses in England. By 1971, one nurse in eight working in the NHS was Irish. Indeed, there were more Irish nurses practising then in the UK than there were at home in Ireland.

The number of Irish nurses going to train or work in England has always ebbed and flowed. “It is back to the trend when I started off as a nurse,” says nurse turned nursing recruitment specialist Kate Cowhig. “I may run a recruitment company, but I’m also a nurse. I remember the lonely times in London.”

Those who believe that salaries for public sector workers in a major city like London would be better paid than at home are going to be disappointed. The relatively generous salaries paid to public sector workers in Ireland during the boom years have not been replicated elsewhere.

The starting salary for a fully qualified nurse in Ireland is €31,000. In the UK it is £21,000 (€23,000), plus a London weighting of £4,000 (€4,400), still considerably less than at home, though the weakness of sterling distorts the relative purchasing powers of the respective salaries.

Cowhig says the packages offered by the NHS frequently include subsidised meals and accommodation and, most crucially, all post-graduate training is free.

“You’d be better off going to a centre of excellence and have the opportunity to upskill yourself, have a full-time permanent position than wait for the phone to ring all the time,” she says.

The question for many graduates is when, if ever, they will get a chance to come home.Hughes says many will never return to work in Ireland.

“A number of them will come back because they always do, but they don’t all come back. It could be years before they do come back, especially if things stay poor here for a long time.”

Brain drain as nurses seek work overseas
More than 5,000 nurses based in Ireland have applied to work abroad in the past two years, according to figures produced by the Irish Nurses Organisation (INO).

In 2008, more than 2,800 applied for transcripts or permission to work abroad. That figure is likely to be matched this year as the Health Service Executive recruitment embargo continues to bite. By the start of November this year, 2,429 nurses had applied for transcripts.

INO director of professional development Annette Kennedy described the figures as “huge” and she forecast that the majority of the 1,600 nurses who graduated this year in Ireland will emigrate.
Hospitals in the south of England have begun to recruit dozens of Irish nursing graduates. To date this year, Whipps Cross hospital in south London has hired 132 nurses, while Kings College Hospital in south London, the Royal Berkshire hospital in Reading and hospital trusts in west and north-west London have also availed of the recruitment freeze in Ireland to attract staff.

Cathy Geddes, the director of nursing and quality at Whipps Cross hospital, described the recruitment drive as an “absolute godsend” to the hospital. “To get such large numbers in one recruitment drive has been great for us,” she said.

The majority of nurses are emigrating to the UK, Canada and Australia.
Ms Kennedy said UK hospitals were offering very attractive packages to Irish nursing graduates, even though the starting salary of around £20,000 (€22,000) is significantly less than their starting salary in Ireland (€31,000).
“They get London weighting allowance of £4,000 (€4,400), accommodation, mentorship for a year and guarantees that they will go on a course within six months. You wouldn’t turn it down,” she said.

She predicted that there will be severe labour shortages within the Irish health system in five years as the demand for nurses remains, despite the embargo.
“In Ireland, we do need the numbers we are training for the future. If we don’t retain those new graduates, and there is a substantial number of nurses retiring, as 30 per cent of them are over 50. There will definitely be shortages.

“We had massive recruitment from abroad between 2000 and 2006 and they are also leaving. They are worried about short-term contracts and cuts in their overtime.”

A report carried out by FAS in June estimated that there are currently 55,000 nurses in Ireland. It predicted that 60,600 will be needed by 2020 to keep up with population demands.

It also forecast that the health service will need an average of 2,900 nurses every year as it projects that 2,450 of them will, on average, leave annually and the expansion of services will generate a need for an additional 440 nurses.

Even with an average of 1,350 nurses graduating every year, it estimates that there will be a shortfall in the future somewhere in the region of 700 nurses a year

Take the immigrants out of the equation and Ireland will be fine.
Our free hand outs are so good, they all come here to collect dole and welfare.
This has got to stop, we can not afford to pay for non nationals and we do not want this many here anyway.
Everyone Irish I know is now anti these immigrants, they have taken us for a ride and laughing at us.

The vast majority 72 % of Irish people want to see a reduction in the number of non-Irish immigrants living here.
Irish Times /Behaviour Attitudes opinion poll.

Is it unreasonable for us to expect that Ireland be governed for the Irish first.
When will the Irish government protect their own native population?
What will make the Government act on our behalf?

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