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Sceala Irish Craic Forum Discussion:     Bin Laden the story of the British American made monster.

Just as in all the best monster stories, those being told the story will never actually see or hear the monster in person.
A monster of the imagination is always be more dangerous, more terrible, more of a all powerful threat.

Don't know about you, I'm kind a sick of the evil monster stories.

ISIS ISIL ???

Kind a sick of witnessing our young men and women being told it is their duty to go out and kill monsters. Go kill a dangerous monster, one of Britain's own creation or old empire template.
From Somoza to Saddam. Our own Anglo American evil cruel monsters.

The Mujahideen was British made, Anglo American monster, a real life monster.

Thatcher and Reagan's CIA created Hussein, then when his purpose was over, they destroyed the puppet monster and in the process making Iraq a fundamental Islamic state of chaos.
How convenient for Israel to have such chaos around them!
It is a disgrace the nations targeted in such a extreme region.
Egypt and Libya compared to many other North African and Arab states, were lands of religious tolerance and education.


The British have created and used many monsters in history, the Mujahideen were created to kill their enemy, but now their monster turns on them.
President Franklin Roosevelt put it another way. "Somoza may be a son of a bitch, but he's our son of a bitch."
Saddam was one of our own, our monster.
Bin Laden our monster.
I know this is a novel and kind a crazy idea, but how about we stop creating monsters.
Saddam
Bin Laden
Bin Laden was a fanatic, a Monster. No story can escape that fact.
Before the full story of Osama Bin Laden begins, another fact of life to take in, a fact that kind a sucks.
As the naive danced and shouted in joy like kids let loose from kindergarten, as they chanted in joy about the death of a single terrorist. They thought something had fundamentally changed for the better in the world.
Some thought they had won something, achieved a end. Some felt justice was done. Some thought that the victims of 9/11 could now rest in peace.

Unfortunately the celebrations were at best naive, they collectively failed to comprehend or overlooked, that nothing fundamentally has changed in the world.
We do not live in a safer or more peaceful world.
They collectively failed to comprehend the whole story because the main news only told the end of the story - Bin Laden is dead, we killed a monster.
Or did we?
Will we ever get any proof it happened the way the news was told to report.
A side of the news we do not get to hear so much.

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We can sing and dance in the streets, as long as we conveniently ignore how the story of Bin Laden the monster begins.
Kind a sucks to take in the whole story, but until we do, until we accept our part in the story, then all we can expect to hear is more and more monster stories.

Yes sir, I'm sick of evil monster stories.
Kind a sick of witnessing our young men and women being told it is their duty to go out and kill monsters. Go kill a dangerous monster, one of our own creation or template.
Saddam was one of our rich old men monsters.

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Donald Rumsfeld meets Saddam Hussein 1983
So was Osama Bin Laden.


Bin Laden the story of the monster. The American monster.
Once upon a time there was this guy called Osama Bin Laden.
He was our kind of guy until he wasn’t, an ally during the Cold War until he no longer served our purposes.
The problem with Osama bin Laden was not that he was a fanatical holy warrior, we liked his kind just fine as long as the infidels he targeted were not us but Russians and the secular Afghans in power in Kabul whom the Soviets backed.

But when bin Laden turned against us, he morphed into a figure of evil incarnate, and now three decades after we first decided to use him and other imported Muslim zealots for our Cold War purposes, we feel cleansed by his death of any responsibility for his carnage. We may make mistakes but we are never in the wrong. USA! USA!

Kind of like when the CIA assigned the Mafia to assassinate Fidel Castro and the Mafiosi turned out to have their own agenda, or when Pentagon experts anointed the Catholic nutcase Ngo Dinh Diem as the George Washington of predominately Buddhist South Vietnam before they felt the need to execute him. A similar fate was suffered by Saddam Hussein, whose infamous Baghdad handshake with Donald Rumsfeld stamped him as our agent in the war to defeat the ayatollahs of Iran.

Awkward, I know, to point out that bin Laden was another of those monsters of our creation, one of those Muslim “freedom fighters” that President Ronald Reagan celebrated for having responded to the CIA’s call to kill the Soviets in Afghanistan. That holy crusade against infidels was financed by Saudi Arabia and armed with U.S. weapons to oppose a secular Afghan government with Soviet backing but before Soviet troops had crossed the border. In short, it was an ill-fated and unjustifiable intervention by the U.S. into another nation’s internal affairs.

Don’t trust me on this one. Just read the 1996 memoir by former Carter administration security official and current Secretary of Defense Robert Gates, a book touted by its publisher as exposing “Carter’s never-before-revealed covert support to Afghan mujahedeen—six months before the Soviets invaded.” This dismissal of the claimed Cold War excuse for the backing of the mujahedeen was acknowledged by President Jimmy Carter’s national security adviser, Zbigniew Brzezinski, who, when asked by the French magazine Le Nouvel Observateur if he regretted “having given arms and advice to future terrorists,” answered that he did not: “What is most important to the history of the world? Some stirred-up Muslims or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?”

That was said three years before some of those “stirred-up Muslims” like bin Laden and the alleged 9/11 plot mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed—whom bin Laden financed, and whom he first met in Afghanistan when both were U.S.-backed fighters—launched their deadly attacks on the United States. The cost of the American response to that assault has spiraled upward for a decade. A defense budget that the first President Bush had attempted to cut drastically because the Cold War was over was pushed to its highest peacetime level by the second President Bush and now with three wars under way equals the military expenditures of all of the world’s other nations combined.

But while Libya and Iraq have oil to exploit, what will be the argument for continuing the interminable war in Afghanistan now that bin Laden is gone? White House national security experts had already conceded that there were fewer than a hundred scattered al-Qaida operatives in Afghanistan, and that these were incapable of mounting anti-U.S. attacks. Clearly, what remains of al-Qaida is no longer based in Afghanistan, as the location of bin Laden’s hiding place, in a military hub in Pakistan, demonstrated. Nor is there any indication that the Taliban we are fighting in Afghanistan are anything but homegrown fighters with motives and leadership far removed from the designs of the late bin Laden.

It is time to concede that the mess that is Afghanistan is a result of our cynical uses of those people and their land for purposes that have nothing to do with their needs or aspirations. Even if bin Laden had been killed in some forlorn cave in Afghanistan, it would not have made the case that he was using that country as a base. But the fact that he was in an area amply populated by the very Pakistani military and intelligence forces that we have armed, and that should have been able to easily nab him, gives the lie to the claim that Afghanistan is vital territory to be secured in what two administrations have now chosen to define as the war on terrorism.
http://www.truthdig.com/report/item/a_monster_of_our_own_creation_20110504/

Bin Laden Said Arguably
The Creation Of A CIA-Led Coalition
9-15-1

ATHENS (AFP) - Osama bin Laden, the man suspected by Washington to be the mastermind behind Tuesday's devastating attacks on the US World Trade Center and the Pentagon, is arguably the creation of a CIA-led coalition that grew out of Afghanistan's war with the Russians.

So contends John Cooley, author and expert on Afghan affairs, who says that while bin Laden may not have had much contact with the Americans during that war, he is the product of the Saudi and the Pakistani regimes, both allies of the US in the anti-Soviet Afghan conflict.

So if bin Laden is a monster, the logic goes, then he is a monster created by the US and its allies.

Interviewed in Athens by AFP, Cooley was first asked to explain the organisation of bin Laden's terrorist network, known as Al- Qaeda.

He said: "Al-Qaeda, meaning 'the base', is a global organization with great resources, but it is very loosely instituted ... with local autonomy and great flexibility, apparently.

"Louis Free, who was FBI director a couple of years ago, said in 1998 that the problem with bin Laden is that these local autonomist groups seem to operate sometimes without visible communications links or command links with the centre. And it is even questionable whether there is a command centre.

"Al-Qaeda was constituted officially -- this was announced only weeks before the embassies were blown up in East Africa in 1998 -- in a communique and the people whose names were used to sign it were a cross-section of famous Islamist groups, in Egypt, in Algeria, in Sudan, even in the far East.

"So, we're dealing with a vast network which has a lot of resources but very loose control in the centre."

Asked how the the current situation had arisen, Cooley replied: "The (former US president Jimmy) Carter administration in 1979 decided - with some dissent I must say, and Cyrus Vance resigned for his position of secretary of state partly because of disagreements over this issue - to recruit, arm and train, and pay, and deploy an army of mercenary volunteers. They were Muslims from all parts of the world, including black American Muslims.

"And the CIA managed the recruiting process. Recruits were sent to Afghanistan, trained under some CIA officers or Pakistani military intelligence officers who were trained by the CIA in the US. There were many former CIA officers in charge of the programme."

He went on: "Zia Ul Haq, the Pakistani president at the time, was demanding total control over the allocation of money, of weapons which were coming from various sources. Finally, the US gave in to that.

"The Saudi role, when bin Laden comes in, was to apply a great deal of money. They matched the Americans, they sponsored one or two of the seven groups whose Islamic ideology was the most extreme."

Cooley said that when the war ended, bin Laden was still in favour with the Saudi royal family. He went to king Fahd and said: 'The Americans must leave, this American army with women driving and walking around in shorts. Its uniformed personnel in our streets are defying our holy places and insulting Islam'.

"Of course," Cooley said, "that was out of the question and this was the main cause for bin Laden's break with the Saudi royal family."

Cooley contends that when the Russians pulled out of Afghanistan, that was what the Americans were most interested in, and did not follow through in any way.

When the Taliban appeared on the scene, the Americans initially thought that they could perhaps work with them, but soon they began to realize that they were backing a very, very unpopular horse. "So, there was no reason for maintaining contacts. American policy began to change after what they saw as the Taliban's excesses," says Cooley.
http://www.prisonplanet.com/bin_laden_said_arguably_the_creation_of_a_cia_led_coalition.htm


American Empire Created bin
Laden And Is Killing Itself
By Frosty Wooldridge
5-3-11


"An empire is an immense egotism," said Ralph Waldo Emerson.

For the past 45 years, the United States, with 570,000 military personnel on 700 bases in 120 countries maintained (s) an empire around the world. America created the Korean, Vietnam, Desert Storm and Iraq Wars. Deaths mounted into the millions. Human suffering registered off the Richter scale of misery.

All of their deaths and our deaths amounted to nothing with a meaning of nothing. All could have been avoided with more intelligent minds at work for peaceful co-existence on this planet.

Fifteen years ago, Osama bin Laden demanded that America retreat from Muslim lands. We ignored him. The Muslim world did not want us in their lands. Bin Laden didn't want Western culture "polluting" Islamic law and culture. Muslims view America as the "Great Satan" of the Western world. Our women wear what they please. We celebrate in Las Vegas. We encourage women to vote, to speak, seek divorce, to teach, to be independent and run for political office. We accept all races, creeds and colors. We accept homosexuals. We do not allow honor killings, female genital mutilation, promote suicide bombings or arranged marriages.

We failed to leave. Osama bin Laden exacted his revenge. We may have killed him, but we are slowly and effectively killing our civilization. All empires decline from over-extension. Examples: grate britain, Rome, France, Athens, Germany, Spain and others.

Empires, as Thucydides understood, are diseases. Thucydides said, "The tyranny that the Athenian empire imposed on others, it finally imposed on itself. The disease of empire, according to Thucydides, "Would finally kill Athenian democracy. And the disease of empire, the disease of nationalism these of course are mirrored in the anarchic violence of these groups, but one that locks us in a kind of frightening death spiral."

As Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Chris Hedges said, "I despair that we as a country, as Nietzsche understood, have become a monster that we are attempting to fight."

Nonetheless, the military industrial complex in America wins out in every battle against those who promote peace. Lyndon Baines Johnson, Richard Nixon, George Bush I and George Bush II started wars that did nothing but bring massive deaths and casualties to other human beings and Americans. They accomplished nothing whatsoever for freedom or human life.

Goering at the Nuremberg Trials said, "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

Is any American looking at what our own government does to us every decade? What exactly are we fighting for in Iraq and Afghanistan? Answer: money, power and greed! None of those wars has anything to do with freedom or terror or rational thinking.

"Nothing is actually resolved, nothing concluded, and nothing to be celebrated in taking away life," said journalist David Swanson in "War is a Crime." "If we want something to celebrate here, we should celebrate the end of one of the pieces of war propaganda that has driven the past decade of brutality and death. But I'm not going to celebrate that until appropriate actions follow. Nothing makes for peace like ceasing to wage war. Now would be an ideal time to give that a try. Our senseless wars in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Iraq, and Libya must be ended. Keeping bin Laden alive and threatening, assisted in keeping the war machine churning its bloody way through cities and flesh for years. No wonder President Bush was not interested in tracking bin Laden down."

At what point will Americans sicken of their perpetrating war on other countries, on millions of other people and the contamination of our world with bombs, poisons, anger and revenge? How can we call it good when we killed over 100,000 and up to 200,000 Iraqis? How about the 2.0 million we killed in Vietnam in 10 years. How about the 100,000 or so in Korea? What exactly was the point, purpose and reason?

How can the American people be so easily duped, led over a cliff and jingoistically convinced that they are the chosen ones to go about killing so many other people in self-righteous egoism?

When the American military industrial complex cooks up the next war, and Obama or name-your-president decides to blow up another civilization, what will you say and what will you do? If the past is any indication of the present, you will probably remain a sheep like the rest of America. You will send young men to die in war for nothing.
http://www.rense.com/general93/amc.htm


Who knows the truth?
Most of us have to only rely on the news media. Until recently the main media, state sanctioned media, was all we had to inform us.

The role of the news media is not to to tell the truth, the role is to report news.
The news is not always the truth, rarely the full story.
News is a version of events.
Who really was Bin Laden?
Who created the Muslim monster?
Who knows the truth?
Bin Laden became the expendable American monster
Here is a novel and crazy idea, how about we stop creating monsters.

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