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Thu Aug 12, 2004
What does the outside world think of when they hear the word ‘Scot’?

Bagpipes
Whisky
Tartan
Kilts
Highlanders

The history of Scotland is a fascinating one, especially so in the way it has been all but totally rewritten and its ancient traditions reconstructed and adapted for strangers in fairly recent times.

You can for instance now get a tartan if your name is Schultz or Mugabe, why even the british royal family (ironically the descendants of the ones and cronies who benefitted directly from the wiping out the original culture and theft of people and real history) perversely have one.

Even that half wit Greek with all the medals ( he must have got them for slipping over in the bath whilst playing torpedoes and other such actions, but sure they suit the make believe of it all) wears one!

What folks think today as Scottish is essentially a rake of shite.
Shite mainly told by those who were either not or those for decades were proving they were not Scots at all and actively looked down on the highlander!

Every single one of the above are Highlanders habits and Irish before them

The kilt and tartan are quite complicated to understand the ancient roots, never the less what can be described as the first known tartan (a cloth for identification on the battle field) is the O’Neill’s. Saffron striped with the blood of a sheep.

The word Scot itself came from the these Highland settlers, well in fact it came from their Irish ancestors- As Scot is Latin for Irish man

Highlanders were Gaelic settlers and colonists form Ireland and contrary to other new made up notions! these people came from across the whole of Ireland, not a distinct northern tribe.

So closely associated to being Irish were the Highlanders!

That right up until this very day the Highland language is referred to as Erse, this is the lowland(who for a long time have been a mixture of people and once distinct from Highlanders, yet today they wear kilts tartan et.., etc..??) phonetic for 'Irish.


From Ireland the Scotia (Scots) in early times (certainly as early as the 4th century ad) spread over the Hebrides and Western Highlands, and carried their settlements and speech over the Lowlands of the Picts(an ancient Celtic people)… leaving the western and middle Lowlands the most Gaelic region of Scotland. Referenced by the Latin Scotia, which meant Irish, they gave their name to Scotland and gave them their Kings.

The base area for landing and subsequent expansion was Argyll (which means the border of the Gael or east Gael).

Many Irish clann's founded 'with a purpose of expansion' branches of their kin in Scotland. and It is historically correct enough to state that all the Macs of Scotland are Irish by origin. The majority are(were) just kin to Irish clann’s such as the Scots Kennedy’s were to the O’Brien’s and the Dunlop’s or Dunliefs to the MacDunlevy one of Irelands oldest clann’s (Mac Duinnshléibhe ancient kings of Ulidia roughly today’s Donegal) the MacDonald’s to the Ancient Ui Neill clann, the Campbell (MacCathmhaoil) of a similar root , Gillespy or Gillespie to the (MacGiolla Easpuig)

Irish folk settled freely in Scotland and Inter-marriage was very frequent at all times, with both pict and later Viking.

After hundreds of years of to and fro between Scotia Major(Ireland) and Scotia Minor(Scotland)

Scots came back to Ireland as immigrants from the 'Scot' or Irish settlements across the water.

The mingled race of Celts and Norse from the Hebrides and the Highlands, all alike talking Irish and claiming Irish descent, poured colonies into Ireland without ceasing from at least 1250 to 1600, fore-fathers of hundreds of thousands today of Irish families such as the McSweeneys, MacCauley, MacLoughlin, MacSheehy, MacCabe, MacRory, MacDougall, MacDonnell, MacNeill, MacDonald, MacSorley, MacFadden, MacAllister, MacColl all are from these Irish wanderers. Known to us in history as the Gallowglass. (it should be noted that many would have returned simply as kith and kin to their Irish clann and pursued power or employment)
This specific group were referred as such not likely because they had any Viking blood or used different weapons to the Irish at home- gall (foreign) in old Irish could mean someone from any other part of what was a very clannish localized Ireland of old, and óglaigh (a warrior).

Donegal the land where the MacSweeneys generally were (though they were in Kerry and Cork as well) itself a more recent anglicized name , sort of means fort stronghold of the Foreigner .
Regardless these were Soldier families of Ireland Gaels by essence that were hired by Irish chiefs for war and toil all over Ireland , but mainly North and Western seaboard, where the Irish Gaels were pushed to by successions of invaders, particularly Norman.
A good few like the MacSorleys and MacSweeney would go onto obtain enough power to be Irish Chieftans in their own right.


Galloway in 1589

Gaelic in Scotland was still the chief language of Galloway. Scots and Irish were the same to Henry VIII, whose servant Alen protested in 1549 against any ''liberty' for the Irish, which, he said was "the only thing that Scots and wild Irish constantly clamoured for…".

Clearing up a Few Myths propagated much later in time by british Orange loyalists

In 1630 the scholar Bedell included Irish and Scots in one single group… The old Irish of Ulster in 1641 accepted the Scots as being of their own race, and this only a generation after the Plantation, when most of the evicted Irish must have been still alive and seething for vengeance. Jeremy Taylor in 1667 describes the Scots and Irish of northeast Ulster as 'populus unius labii and unmingled with others'.

(All so different to the simple tales what the likes of Ian Paisley leads folk to believe)


It is now known that intermarriage was far from uncommon between Irish Gaelic Catholic and Scots Gaelic Presbyterian, which helps explain the amount of names that are mixed up. You cannot identify for sure by a name someone’s religion in present day Ireland, no matter where.

(That's why you had a Shankhill butcher member (Loyalist murder gang) called Larry Murphy, in fact so full of hate for the Irish was Murphy he was eventually taken out by his own side as too much of a maverick killer.)

The speech of the people, (the planted)by and large was Gaelic even in the eighteenth century was still. And no wonder as For some fourteen centuries, indeed, common schools of learning, a common literature, common national festivals, maintained the unbroken tradition of unity of race.

The Scots Irish referenced in modern times by british loyalists as if they are their direct descendants is not only untrue it is perverse.

The Presbyterian Irish who went to America did so to obtain freedom and were by and large anti establishment and anti royalty, as they were to prove as patriot Americans fighting against the british and their king

They were not distinct or adrift from the Irish native, it is recorded that the early settlers in America had to have Gaelic interpreters and special provision sought for their language

So going back to the title

Whisky, bagpipes, harp, plaid(tartan) ALL were taken across the sea to the land known today as Scotland from the land today called Ireland.

Even The two most stereotypical Scottish names Hamish and Angus are Irish.

Hamish and Seamus are for James (say them quick and see if you can keep the two apart, yet somehow history has) they are spelt the same in Gaelic

Angus is from Aengus as in Dun Aengus in the Aran Isles


The Stone of Scone

Read up about the stone of scone of Scotland, referred to as the stone of destiny and used for the coronation of English royals after they took it as spoil of war.

Read further and see its links to the Hill of Tara (where the real stone of destiny still is and always has been imo).

The point is the Scottish one was in Ireland first no one disagrees with that now, though the average English historian or teacher seems to have missed that out of the stones history until about twenty years ago!

None of these historians consider for long (if ever) that the stone (now back in Scotland )which they all accept is by origin from Tara in Ireland - which is insignificant and does not match the description in the oral tradition of the ancients or written traditions of any master of medieval Irish literature about Tara.

None ponder that the stone loaned to Fergus is referred in the annals as 'the princes stone' and written into Irish manuscript long before Victorians decided upon a history of the stone to agree upon!

None consider that the Irish Kingdom of the Scotia at the time of Fergus and for hundreds of years after his death paid tithes and taxes back to the High kings of Tara. But yet we are led to believe by rewriter’s invention, that the Scots colonists were allowed to keep such a stone! that does not add up to any detection work

None consider the Irish tradition of the stone of destiny being The Lia Fal, still extant at Tara, a stone that by its look and presence is not just a lump of hewn granite from Ireland but a large phallic like stone fit for a King!!!!!

None consider that the home of the mere Irish (the only home of historical certainty of the stone of scone) could hold the real stone of destiny.

But then what would such historians want to know about Ireland or give the Irish credit for apart from stuff that is all quaint and easily dismissible as throw away culture.


Sadly! The same rewriters of history have (or had and now in fear are trying different angles) convinced so many modern Scots to not even want to even consider their roots are in Ireland in any form. Simpletons simplistic religous doctrination or division through power is sadly, usually mor than ample enough to make boings disown who their own ancestors were.

And so ye have Americans with names like Campbell, MacDonald, McAllister (and the Gaelic Irish spellings of) influenced by these small ignorant minds, the likes of so called scots irish (who are about as real a distinct race as Disneys mice a species) to use time long past, and the laziness of humans as all the excuse they need to get away with stories and using phrases like 'absurd or anything but' the notion of any link to Ireland and further having Irish roots!.

It was why ye have folks not of Ireland but of Ulster, Laughing

But the names in the very covenant tell the real story

Seeing not a jot of irony that they are from families long past the land of Scotland in America. They only want to dig so far!

Ignorance just found out yesterday and now want to read more of only what pleases their eye!

Shite is shite and can be covered up, but culture is culture and that alone tells the real story, the music the look the speech are all without question of Ireland in main essence.


Last edited by Finn on Thu Aug 12, 2004 11:05 pm; edited 2 times in total

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